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Second Thoughts About Fluoride
Attention!!!

SAFE DRINKING WATER

This is an issue that everyone needs to be aware of and, if you are not in
favor of it, or the way it is going down, you need to help stop it from
happening.

As the Watershed Committee's primary concern is the health of all of the
living things in the Topanga Canyon ecosystem, we need to consider whether
we think a constant flow of fluoride into the water supply, and from there,
into the ground water, the creek, and the ocean, and into the skeletons of
all of the creatures existing therein, is more likely to be beneficial or
detrimental.

A group of incredibly capable, dedicated, knowledgeable people in and out of
the Canyon have been busting their butts to educate themselves about the
medical, political, and economic aspects of this issue, but we need to make
sure the powers that be show that they are not alone!

Please share your ideas about what we can do on this issue, and/or your willingness
to make a contribution to the SAFE DRINKING WATER movement.

Thank you,

The Topanga Creek Watershed Committee

For additional Information please contact…

 310 455-1709 or 800 728-3833

and check out these websites…

http://www.keepers-of-the-well.org

http://www.fluoridealert.org


Topanga Watershed Committee
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The following is FACT:
1. It's more toxic than LEAD.
2. It's a poison -- a teaspoonful will kill you.
3. From Congressional testimony on fluoride, it was determined that:
"Since 1994 there have been six publications that link fluoride
exposure to direct adverse effects on the brain".
"There have been no studies that show the health benefits of
fluoride".
"Three landmark lawsuits since 1978 show "findings of fact" that link
fluoride to severe adverse health effects".
**"No studies on safety or effectiveness have been performed on the two
waste products of the fertilizer industry that are now used in 90% of
fluoridation programs."
**"Fluoride exposure in the U.S. is excessive and uncontrolled."
**"The chemicals used for fluoridation are not manufactured in a
laboratory unders strict conditions as most people, including doctors and
dentists, believe. These chemicals come directly from the pollution
scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer manufacturing plants...".
Dr. William Marcus, Senior Science Advisor and toxicologist in the Office
of Drinking Water, was fired by EPA for demanding an independent analysis of
Congress-ordered toxicological data that was reclassified by EPA when
fluoride was definitely linked to cancer. Dr. Marcus was reinstated after a
court found that the EPA destroyed documents and lied about evidence in the
case.
According to a Toxicological Profile by the U.S. Dept. of Health & Human
Services in 1993: "...the elderly, diabetics, people with deficiencies of
calcuim, magnesium, and/or Vitamin C, and people with cardiovascular and
kidney problems may be unusually suseptible to the toxic effects of
fluorides".
The Chief Justice of te Pennsylvania Supreme Court stated: "In my view,
the evidence is quite convincing that the addition of sodium fluoride to the
public water supply at one part per million is extrememly deleterious to the
human body...and there is no evidence to the contrary."
Judge Anthony Farris in Texas found: "the artificial fluoridation of
public water supplies may cause or contribute to the cause of cancer,
genetic damage, intolerant reactions, and chronic toxicity including dental
mottling...and may aggravate malnutrition and existing illness..."
4. Warning Label on fluoride toothpaste reads: "Keep out of reach of
children under 6 years of age. If more than used for brushing is
accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center
right away".
5. According to the American Dental Assoc., the daily recommended dose of
fluoride for pregnant women ---NONE.
6. It has never been safety tested by the CDC, FDA, or EPA.
7. It is NOT approved by the FDA or the EPA.
8. Fluoride reacts in the body enzymatically...every time you cook with your
tap water, use it in juices, bathe in it, you are getting unknown and
unmonitored dosages of this poison...fluoride baths were used for people
with hyperthyroidism, fluoride is in teflon, scotch guard (which was taken
off the market in 2000 for safety reasons), zoloft and rat poison...

THE ISSUE IS SAFE DRINKING WATER....WE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE...


FOR ALL YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT FLUORIDATION AND LIFE
CHECK OUT:
fluoridealert.org and keepers-of-the-well.org

Please call and urge these folks to halt any fluoridation until the safety
certification exists...there can be no safety certification because the
research is clear that this is an unsafe, unconscionable poison to add to
public water supplies...!!!

Zev Yaroslavsky: (Susan Nissman): 818 - 880-9416
Jeff Jennings: 310-456-1400
Sheila Kuehl 310-441-9084
Julia Brownley *18-596-4141
Fran Pavley 818- 665-6097
*** Let these people know that this in not about politics...this is about
Public Safety!!!
Topanga Watershed Committee
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http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/12/30/fluoride_accumulates_in_pineal_gland.htm

Fluoride Accumulates in Pineal Gland
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Health http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/health.htm

Fluoride, added to the water supply of many cities and counties and sold by WalMart in its nursery water <http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/walmart/> , has a tendency to accumulate not only in developing teeth causing discoloration, and in bones making them brittle. The mineral is associated with cancer <http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2005/08/17/fluoridecancer_study_cover_up.htm>  and it also accumulates in the pineal gland <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland> , an important hormone control center, where it wreaks considerable havoc. Paul Connett of Fluoride Action Network <http://fluoridealert.org/>  comments on Jennifer Luke's research which was part of her PhD thesis and had just been published in Caries Research under the title: Fluoride Deposition in the Aged Human Pineal Gland.



Fluoride is a poison, yet we add it to our water and toothpaste and even call it a supplement, although it has no nutritional value. Its medicinal value - the prevention of tooth decay - is the official explanation for adding the toxic mineral to the water supply. But that value is far outweighed by its toxic side effects - amply documented by Paul Connett in his Statement of Concern <http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-statement.htm> .

Recent European Union legislation on food supplements lists fluoride as an essential element to offer for supplementation. This is somewhat ironic when contrasted with the European legislators' feigned concern over the putative toxicity of vitamins and their efforts to limit dosages of these vital nutrients <http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/12/06/europe_sharply_divided_over_vitamin_supplements.htm>  in order to "protect public health".

We also use fluoride in many household items, such as non-stick frying pans, high-tech water repellent fabrics and others. Recently, at least some timid attempts to start assessing the disease burden caused by fluoride are under way. The Journal of Water Health carries an article on this research <http://www.iwaponline.com/jwh/004/jwh0040533.htm> . Meanwhile in the US, the FDA has decided that fluoride should be allowed <http://www.bevnet.com/news/2006/11-28-2006-FDA_bottledwater.asp>  in bottled water, perhaps in deference to WalMart's offerings <http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/walmart/> .

The use of fluoride for "health" reasons is one of the great insanities of our times. Could it be just by chance that the Germans and Russians both used fluoride to make prisoners stupid and docile <http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd102.htm>  or that the US government faced legal action over the toxic effects in the environment of this nuclear waste by-product <http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/17/1437211> ?

Perhaps the push for 'enriching' our water and our foods with fluoride has some ulterior motive that has little to do with health. Be that as it may, the campaign for fluoridation is stil in full swing and health authorities are pushing the poison as if their monthly paychecks depended on it.

Jennifer Luke's PhD thesis on fluoride and its accumulation in the pineal gland - Paul Connett says that research might just be the scientific straw that breaks the camel's back:

- - -

Fluoride & the Pineal Gland: Study Published in Caries Research

The wheels of science grind very slowly. Finally, the first half of the work that was the subject of Jennifer Luke's Ph.D. thesis; presentation in Bellingham, Washington (ISFR conference) in 1998 and a videotaped interview I had with her (see www.fluoridealert.org/videos.htm <http://www.fluoridealert.org/videos.htm> ), has been published in Caries Research.

In my view this work is of enormous importance and could be (or should be) the scientific straw that breaks the camel's back of fluoridation.

When Luke found out that the pineal gland - a little gland in the center of the brain, responsible for a very large range of regulating activities (it produces serotonin and melatonin) - was also a calcifying tissue, like the teeth and the bones, she hypothesized it would concentrate fluoride to very high levels. The gland is not protected by the blood brain barrier and has a very high perfusion rate of blood, second only to the kidney.

Luke had 11 cadavers analyzed in the UK. As she predicted she found astronomically high levels of fluoride in the calcium hydroxy apatite crystals produced by the gland. The average was 9000 ppm and went as high as 21,000 in one case. These levels are at, or higher, than fluoride levels in the bones of people suffering from skeletal fluorosis. It is these findings which have just been published.

It is the ramifications of these findings which have yet to be published. In the second half of her work she treated animals (Mongolian gerbils) with fluoride at a crack pineal gland research unit at the University of Surrey, UK (so there is no question about the quality of this work). She found that melatonin production (as measured by the concentration of a melatonin metabolite in the urine) was lower in the animals treated with high fluoride levels compared with those treated with low levels.

Luke hypothesizes that one of the four enzymes needed to convert the amino acid tryptophan (from the diet) into melatonin is being inhibited by fluoride. It could be one of the two enzymes which convert tryptophan to serotonin or one of the two which convert serotonin to melatonin.

Significance? Huge. Melatonin is reponsible for regulating all kinds of activities and there is a vast amount of work investigating its possible roles in aging, cancer and many other life processes. The one activity that Luke is particularly interested in is the onset of puberty. The highest levels of melatonin ( produced only at night) is generated in young children. It is thought that it is the fall of these melatonin levels which acts like a biological clock and triggers the onset of puberty. In her gerbil study she found that the high fluoride treated animals were reaching puberty earlier than the low fluoride ones.

We know from recent studies - and considerable press coverage - that young girls are reaching puberty earlier and earlier in the US <http://edition.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/children/03/31/early.puberty.wmd/index.html> . Luke is not saying that fluoride (or fluoridation) is the cause but her work waves a very worrying red flag. Fluoride's role in earlier puberty needs more thorough investigation. Of an interesting historical note, in the Newburgh versus Kingston fluoridation trial (1945-1955), it was found that the girls in fluoridated Newburgh were reaching menstruation, on average, five months earlier than the girls in unfluoridated Kingston, but the result was not thought to be significant at the time (Schlessinger et al, 1956).

When one considers the seriousness of a possible interference by fluoride on a growing child's pineal gland (and for that matter, elderly pineal glands) it underlines the recklessness of fluoridation. The precautionary principle would say, as would basic common sense, that you don't take these kind of risks with our children for a benefit which, at best, amounts to 0.6 tooth surfaces out of 128 tooth surfaces in a child's mouth (Brunelle and Carlos, 1990, Table 6).

I have a copy of Luke's Ph.D. thesis and would be willing to share it with those who have a serious scientific interest in this issue. The other references cited above can be found in my Statement of Concern which is published on the FAN webpage: http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-statement.htm

Paul Connett <http://www.fluoridealert.org/contact.htm>

Related:

Please check out this link and sign the petition <http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/walmart/>  asking Walmart to stop selling fluoride "Nursery Water" for infants.

Fluoride: Friend or Foe? <http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/desanto1.html>
by David De Santo

GERMANS & RUSSIANS USED FLUORIDE TO MAKE PRISONERS 'STUPID & DOCILE <http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd102.htm>

The Fluoride Deception: How a Nuclear Waste Byproduct Made Its Way Into the Nation's Drinking Water <http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/17/1437211>

Toxic Teflon: Compounds from Household Products Found in Human Blood <http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/46061>
DuPont and other companies use those synthetic compounds to make an extraordinarily wide range of products, including nonstick cookware (e.g, Teflon), grease-resistant food packaging (e.g., microwave popcorn and pizza boxes), stain-resistant fabrics and carpets (e.g., Stainmaster), shampoos, conditioners, cleaning products, electronic components, paints, firefighting foams, and a host of other artifacts of modern life. But like many "better things" produced by industrial chemistry, these products can have disastrous side effects.

Fluoridation of drinking water - the UK Soil Association's position <http://www.soilassociation.org/web/sa/saweb.nsf/b0062cf005bc02c180256a6b003d987f/c0f33673943e3945802572570034ee3a%21OpenDocument&amp;Highlight=2,fluoride>
h. We consider that the practice of adding fluoride to drinking water is prophylactic treatment and is therefore in opposition to organic principles. As a result the Soil Association is opposed to the artificial fluoridation of water by water companies and also the legislation allowing this practice. We support the campaign by the National Pure Water Association <http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk>  for water companies to have the right not to fluoridate their water.

Fluoridation Doing More Harm Than Good, Studies Show <http://foodconsumer.org/7777/8888/Agri_amp_Environ_41/05100910142007_Fluoridation_Doing_More_Harm_Than_Good_Studies_Show.shtml>
Pizzo and colleagues reviewed English-language fluoridation studies published from January 2001 to June 2006 and write, "Several epidemiological studies conducted in fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities suggest that [fluoridation] may be unnecessary for caries prevention." They also report that fluoride-damaged teeth spiked upwards to 51% from the 10-12% found over 60 years ago in 'optimally' fluoridated communities.

 

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updated on Tuesday June 19 2007
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Readers' Comments

Greetings,
The article should be titled: "Americans drink poison to facilitate their induction into vulture capitalism that robs them of their economic Freedom." The article should point out that melatonin has the function of being an antioxidant in the brain, similar to the enzyme glutathione, both being impacted by fluoridation. These are the mechanisms of fluoride in the brain that results in Americans having severely impaired cognition, and many other problems like an epidemic of obesity.
Read more on fluoridation from the perspective of the Manhattan Project's goals to cover up their health effects at: " http://www.doewatch.com/f.html <http://www.doewatch.com/f.html> ."
Then tell all your friends to stop drinking poison and trying to call it good for your children, as only fools do that.

Posted by: Jim Phelps <http://www.doewatch.com>  on January 2, 2007 06:37 AM

 


Fluorine can chelated out of body tissues by the use of long term (3-4 months)high dosage Iodine therapy: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

The other halides, Bromine and Chlorine, and heavy metals (!)are also removed: http://vitamincfoundation.org/videos/#BROWNSTEIN

Besides degrading the Melatonin and Serotonin production via the pineal, the production of endogenous tryptamines (natural psychedelics) is also impacted, dulling the perception of greater states of consciousness.

Iodine has been demonized for political and financial reasons.

The Japanese have a daily intake of Iodine about 100 times greater than the US "RDA".

It is now hypothesized that Iodine insufficiency may be a major risk factor for reproductive cancers, especially breast cancer.

I know of several individuals (my self included) who are experiencing greater physical energy and mental clarity after completing the 3 month

Posted by: Steve <http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/12/30/www.cesultra.com>  on January 2, 2007 02:30 PM

 


Hi; I wish you would add an easy to use forwarding EMAIL box to your informative website. Thank you

Posted by: Robert Meyer on January 2, 2007 02:35 PM

 


Shut up and drink your water, it has been made special, just for you. Same with the air, and the food we are modifying for you. You have nothing to worry about, we know what is best for you, so do as you are told, OR ELSE!
Mmmm, flouride, the real person's chaser to clorine!

Posted by: antisatan on January 2, 2007 02:53 PM

 


I also would like an easy way to EMAIL this article. Please consider this in the future. I am not interested in printing articles. I will just lose the paper, as I am stupid and fat from drinking water.

Posted by: bob on January 2, 2007 06:36 PM

 


I think it would be great if you were to add an email forwarding link to your site. It would make it so much easier to share this important information.

Posted by: dee on January 2, 2007 09:47 PM

 


We use PUR water filter, however, it states nothing regarding removal of fluoride. Is there a water filtration system that does remove fluoride? Thanks, Larry

Posted by: Larry on January 2, 2007 10:19 PM

 


Do you have any data about the concentrations of fluoride in foods that we should otherwise expect not be "fortified" with Fluoride? For example, I understand that most orange juice is made from oranges grown in the shadows of fertilizer plants around Tampa, and that the concentration of fluoride in the soils the oranges are grown in is extremely high. I've also read somewhere that canned foods are very high in fluoride, as are any "condensed" or cooked products where the water is boiled off or evaporated, concentrating whatever is found in the water. I drink reverse-osmosis filtered water and use a non-fluoridated toothpaste, but I still feel a little stupid. My IQ has increased from 126 to 147 (which may be "statistically insignificant") since taking measures to avoid Fluoride 4 years ago. I'm wondering if I would be a genius if it weren't for fluoride :) I have noticed that otherwise educated people, even with advanced degrees and doctorates have a certain lack of sense or curiousity. Though that could just be a byproduct of hyper-specialization, or a combination of factors. But I wonder if they are just addled with the chemicals being fed to them.

Posted by: Bobh on January 3, 2007 01:42 AM

 


An ignorant and uninformed/educated population is easily controlled. Simply entertain them and distract them, slowly poison them while you feed them.

Posted by: PuPP <http://www.puppstheories.com/forum>  on January 3, 2007 05:48 AM

 


About that 'email this article' feature - I think that the button can be added soon - something like next week or thereabouts.

Posted by: Sepp <http://blog.hasslberger.com>  on January 3, 2007 10:43 AM

 


Reverse Osmosis is the only way to get flouride out of your water - the cheapest is to get this water at a natural food store like Whole Foods in the US. RO purification systems are rather expensive, but completely worth it.

Posted by: jt on January 4, 2007 07:02 PM

 


Does a water filtration unit of .9 microns filter this sediment out? Brownish pink residue on exterior of filter? I know when i change filters in city water there is a yellowish color. I belive this is clorine residue.

Posted by: rob shelds on January 4, 2007 07:33 PM

 


Very good information, does anyone here know if soda has any fluoride in it? And how much?

Also if you don't mind I will link this from a couple of my blogs.

Thanks again for the great information.

Adrian
http://blog.taxpayersforpeace.org
http://www.icecles.com

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Posted by: pindar <http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/12/30/illuminati-info.com>  on January 30, 2007 02:25 AM

 


Because we had well-water when I grew up, the dentist had my mother give me flouride tablets to chew. Maybe this is the where my health problems all begin?

Posted by: gerry on March 2, 2007 09:14 PM

 


This is a puzzle for me... Our entire family was raised on a farm in North Idaho with a purest water well. Actually two were drilled in the 1950's on our farm with two pumps to provide enough water for drinking and bathing so scarce. It was a pure spring water reservoir. No mineral or biological contaminants detected. One thing I noticed is all of our family have tooth decay at a very high level using that water source. Water had the best flavor. My parents at 55 years of age are all using implanted teeth. All of my teeth at 35 are original with one root canal. But a history of weak teeth and fillings. If no dentist, I would have half of my teeth right now. When I moved to the city where flouridation took place, teeth no longer had the rapid decay. So there is some truth to all of this. I didn't drink much acidic juices either. Milk was my favorite as a kid and water. Flouride is indeed a construcive or destructive element as it is so reactive. Question to ask the universe whether it is a good or a bad reaction at a particular time? It definitely helps teeth. From what I understand... children with baby teeth may indeed benefit from flouridated water from the tap. The root as well as surface enamel of the tooth absorbs it and carries it to the enamel where needed. As adults with mature 2nd set of teeth. Growth is over and probably best to consume water without flouride. But you still need flouride to react with surface enamel to keep the molecular structure strong. Use a flouride rinse to swish about your teeth... then spit it out. Don't know about pineal gland absorbtion... I will research that next. Heard of reports of farm animals getting ill too... but this could be from constant refilling of water basin without dumping old water out first. Water evaporates and over time a dangerous level of flouride builds up. Just as salt in the Great Salt Lake. I don't support or deny benefits of flouride treatment. I do know that my families teeth rotted out on pure spring water.

Posted by: gavincurtis on May 11, 2007 05:57 AM

 


One final thing to think about. Teeth wear down not because enamel is rubbing against enamel; think of it at the atomic level. You are literally stripping electrons away. Nothing solid touching solid. It's electrons interacting with each other. Flouride is the energy source to replenish the electrons. We just need the ideal way to apply flouride to our teeth only. To the roots and enamel for children. Adults on the exposed enamel.

Posted by: gavincurtis on May 11, 2007 06:15 AM

 


Actually, teeth are not made of fluoride but of majorly calcium. All fluoride does is harden the calcium that's there, making it more brittle in the process. It doesn't "replenish electrons" and certainly does not give teeth the material needed to grow or repair. Being a dentist, Gavin, why don't you give us some actual references for your your contention that "It definitely helps teeth." There are a lot of scientific publications that show mottling of teeth (fluoridosis) in children exposed to fluoride in water. How do you reconcile that teeth become discolored and brittle with "it helps teeth"?

Posted by: Sepp on May 11, 2007 09:15 AM

 


Flouride is a poison but Big Business makes money off this poison, so the FDA sits on its hands and reaps the tax benefits. After all, corporations and gov't are merely quid-pro-quo whorehouses sold to the highest bidder. When the gov't needs illegal wire-taps, Verizon and Sprint allow them secret rooms to listen in on calls. When Haliburton (and KBR) need more revenue, the gov't hands out no-bid contracts. When the gov't dislikes literature, Amazon and Wikipedia ban the book

Posted by: Michael R on May 11, 2007 12:11 PM

 


While there should be concern about fluoride in our drinking water, the main source of this contamination, is a waste product of the nuclear war fighting industry. The activities of this criminal industry should be of even more concern.

The nuclear war fighting industrialists, are clearly proven to be a conspiratorial bunch of fiends engaged in a continuing criminal enterprise, the like of which humanity has never experienced and can not endure.

These fiend nuclear enterprises are and have been, committed to our genocidal extermination with the use of the products of the nuclear war fighting industries.

This is the reason for the long running intervention into our world by the high level powers that we refer to as the

Posted by: Patrick <http://politicsofet.com>  on May 11, 2007 12:37 PM

 


For those who cannot figure out why people drinking non-fluoridated water have bad teeth, perhaps further digging is necessary. Fluoride is not needed for healthy teeth - proper diet is. Dr Weston A. Price, a dentist practicing in the 1930's, travelled all over the world seeking out primitive cultures that had not been touched by modern, "western" dietary staples. What he found were tribes and villages of people almost totally devoid of tooth decay. His travels and findings are documented in his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration - just seeing the photographs taken of the people he met are well worth the time taken to find the book! www.westonaprice.org is an excellent place to find information on tooth-protecting nutrition.

Posted by: Stell <http://www.fernandfaerie.com>  on May 11, 2007 08:26 PM

 


To the lady from Idaho family with bad teeth from natural water.

It was found that some deep water systems in Idaho are extremely high in natural fluoride.

So when you moved to the city, you may have been getting less!

Posted by: Robin on May 11, 2007 11:32 PM

 


I've passed this article on to friends who have questioned me about the loose usage of the word "fluoride." My friend insists that stannous fluoride is safe and non-toxic whereas straight fluoride is a poison. Can someone please educate me on this. I have done some research into the matter, but when search "stannous fluoride" it seems that all I find is mainstream praises for the fluoridation of water.

Posted by: Robert Ference on May 12, 2007 08:19 AM

 


The Dentists' secret society - "Delta Sigma Delta".

What roll has the "Delta Sigma Delta" played in Water Fluoridation ??? and are they still in control of the American Dental Society ???

In his book, "The Secret War and The Fluoride Conspiracy", British Dental Surgeon, Geoffrey E Smith writes about the sinister side of this secret organisation within the dental profession.

Their tentacles are into Australia, New Zealand, Canada, UK and Ireland. They also have members in the Dental wings of the CDC, FDA and WHO. They're all in the one "club", singing from the same songsheet.

In Australia, Dr. Geoffrey Smith has advised:

"Early in 1953, American Delta Sigs met with theit "brethren" in Sydney. A fortnight later, the New South Wales branch of the Australian Dental Association and the Dental Faculty at the University of Sydney, submitted an URGENT report to the Federal Government stating that steps should be taken immediately to introduce fluoridation in Sydney and other major cities around the Commonwealth."

He also wrote:

"Recently, it seems that New Zealand dentists have been disturbed by the unseen presence of DSD. A spokesman for the Hawkes Bay branch of the New Zealand Dental Association observed: "As long as membership of this body remains anonymous, it will be suspect and speculation as to it's real aims and objectives will occur within the rank and file of the Association."

You can find more info about the "DSD" at www.qawf.org <http://www.qawf.org/>  then click "Bulletin Board", then click the "Fluoride Forum" and look for the entry "Dental Secret Society - Delta Sigma Delta".

Posted by: Bill Kilvert on May 12, 2007 09:09 AM

 


Congratulations on a superb site, packed with excellent information.
I look forward to learning more - thank you.
Mairi

Posted by: Mairi <http://www.conspiracyresearch.org>  on May 14, 2007 11:10 AM

 


A good, safe way to strengthen teeth is the sweetener Xylitol. Research shows it also helps osteoporosis by increasing bone density, though for this you need to take 40 grams dails and it's a bit expensive. Recently it's even been harder to find; a lot of people must be finding out about this.

Posted by: Naila on May 14, 2007 08:05 PM

 


I think any water filters with activated charcoal will filter chemicals out of water. Including floride

By the way I have seen one water filter that connects to the faucet in the kitchen that adds floride to the water. So stay away from that one!!!

Posted by: Larry on May 19, 2007 01:52 AM

 


Once fluoride is added, it is difficult to filter out. An earlier comment says that only reverse osmosis filters - they are quite expensive - will take fluoride out of the water, so best to make sure it isn't added in the first place. If you have to, start your own campaign...

Posted by: Sepp on May 19, 2007 01:50 PM

 


As the lightest of all the Halogens, flourine is an extremely active anion and combines to readily soak up Lithium in the body. It was added to drinking water in German Concentration Camps during WW 2. It made the prisoners docile and depressed, thus easier to manage. Especially on poor nutrition rations.
This poisoning occurred as a consequence of Hitler's early 1930's request to find a colourless/odourless drug that could be added to the water to make the German people docile and more open to suggestion.
The boffins at I G Farben came up with sodium flouride. Apparently they had stumbled on to a drug that would poison the part of the brain responsible for an individuals' power to resist domination.This is achieved with minute repetitive doses.
Be careful repeating this in the US though, as some people like your first Sec.of Defense in 1949 fell out of a window. He was in hospital at the time.mmmmm. He was also in strong opposition to Flouridation of water supplies on military posts.
Oh BTW Prozac is a flourine based drug that fries the brain.And lets not mention the no. of flouride sensitive enzymes that are rendered useless or have limited function due to the halogen binding with the metal ions (which are required by the enzyme to function). Other enzymes are directly affected by protein poisoning.

Lets hope the truth about this hideous poison is not further repressed.

Too bad ignorance isn't painful

Posted by: David on June 8, 2007 08:49 PM
 

Who Decides? Will topangans get a say on what goes in their water?

By Lee Michaelson

It's a done deal as far as the authorities at the various water boards are concerned. Beginning October 7, or as soon thereafter as the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California (MWD) can manage it, the water pouring through Topanga's taps will be treated with fluoride.

Whether one considers that event a poisoning of the public water supply or a victory for public health, one question remains: Who, exactly, decided to tamper with the content of Topanga's water? Did Topangans get anything to say about it? How about anyone Topangans elected to represent them?

The latter questions are relatively easy to answer: At no time in the years-long process that led to the decision to begin fluoridating Topanga's water supply did Topangans get an opportunity to weigh in on the choice.

True, those who somehow got word of a poorly publicized MWD meeting held on August 20, were allowed to venture downtown for their three minutes of public comment time. But the actual decision to fluoridate had already been made years earlier, and no decisionmaker was there to represent Topanga at the time the MWD board cast its decisive ballot.

No Referendum

The lack of community participation in the process is all the more ironic in light of Section 12814 of the Public Utility Code which expressly provides: "A district may add fluorine or fluorine compounds to the supply of the district only if the voters of the district have approved the addition of the fluorine and fluorine compounds to the water supply." (Emphasis added.) The Code establishes that issue be decided by a majority of the voters in the district voting in a special election called to determine the fluoridation issue.

So when was Topanga's fluoride referendum held? Never happened. Why?

The Public Utility Code's referendum requirement applies to "municipal utility district[s]" formed under the Public Utility Code. There are some 200 such districts in the State of California, according to Jeff Green, National Director of Citizens for Safe Drinking Water, but Los Angeles County Waterworks District 29 (District 29), which supplies Topanga and Malibu, is not among them. Turns out, when District 29 was created in September 1959, it was organized under the State Water Code, not the Public Utility Code.

The Topanga Story, Louise Armstrong York's classic saga of early Topanga history, details the water politics of Topanga in the days before the town tied into MWD. Though not quite the stuff of Chinatown, York's account makes for an interesting read. (At one point, York writes, Mattie Haney, who ran one of Topanga's well-driven water companies, left the state under threat of arrest by the Public Utility Commission amid disputes between Old Canyon and Post Office Tract residents over the system's limited water supply.)

In point of fact, Topanga once had its own public water utility, or perhaps more accurately, several of them. In the early days, while some homesteaders hauled their water up the hill in five-gallon jugs, others were supplied by water piped into their lots from "mutual water companies" fed by oft-depleted local wells.

After initially rejecting the idea by an overwhelming margin, a majority of Topangans voted in 1959 to approve the formation of County Waterworks District 29 and took on the bonded indepebtedness, financed by taxes in their land, to construct the necessary pipelines in stages. In doing so, York says Topangans sought to increase local control, improve existing water resources, and reduce reliance on MWD.

In the end, Topangans and residents of Malibu got their water district and a reliable source of potable water, but very little else of what they initially sought. More than 189 miles of pipeline were ultimately built at the expense of residents of Topanga and Malibu stretching all the way to the Ventura County line, but Topangans did not get the locally elected or appointed water boards they had asked for and 100 percent of their water is now supplied by MWD.

Moreover, the creation of District 29 did not put Topanga's "water wars" to rest: over the next 10 years public controversies continued as the cost of the pipeline system increased, the lack of local control grew ever more evident and a legal battle unsuccessfully challenging the new system wound its way to the doorstep of the United States Supreme Court.

And, by a technicality in the manner of the formation of their water district back in 1959, Topangans apparently forfeited their right to vote in a referendum on whether water supply should be fluoridated (something few, if any, were likely thinking about at the time). The Messenger has attempted to reach the appropriate official at the County who could shed light on the question of why public policy should require a referendum to be held before a water district formed under the Public Utility Code can fluoridate the water of its customers, yet not require such public consent on the part of a water district formed under the Water Code. County officials have not returned our calls and e-mails as of press time.

So Who's To Blame (or Praise)?

Since they never got to vote on it, whom do Topangans unhappy with what's about to come pouring out of their faucets have to blame - and whom can those happy about the decision thank, if so inclined?

If District 29 were quite a bit bigger, residents could point the finger to State Senator Sheila Kuehl. Kuehl's aide Laurie Newman informed the Messenger that her boss had enthusiastically supported Assembly Bill 733, a state law passed in 1995 requiring fluoridation of public water systems having at least 10,000 service connections (assuming outside funding for the project were available). Like it or lump it, if A.B. 733 applied to Topanga, at least someone whom Topangans had a chance to- vote for would have had a role in making the decision.

But according to its website, District 29 has only 7,331 service hookups, and is therefore exempt from the requirements of AB 733. Thus, Kuehl deserves no blame nor credit in the matter.

It's hard to find fault or reason for rejoicing at District 29, either. District 29 never actually made the decision to "go fluoride." If it had, the guy in the hot seat would be County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky - again, someone accountable to Topangans at the ballot box. But the fact is that the County Board of Supervisors, which also sits at District 29's board of directors, never put the matter of fluoridating District 29's water supply to a vote.

Instead, District 29, which buys all of its water from wholesaler West Basin Municipal Water District (West Basin), was informed by its supplier that the water it was purchasing from them was going to be fluoridated beginning this October.

Unlike its own local water district, Topanga actually does have an elected representative at West Basin, Ed Little. Little, the proprietor of Ed Little Auto Services of Culver City, also represents a lot of other places like the cities of Culver City, El Segundo, Malibu, West Hollywood, and unincorporated areas of Lennox, North Ladera Heights, Del Aire, View Park and Windsor Hills. He is by far the most experienced member of the West Basin board of directors - having originally been appointed by that body in 1989 to fill a vacancy in its numbers, he has been elected five times since and is now in his sixth four-year term of office. Before that, he worked on the election to annex Culver City to West Basin. He is a man who knows the ins and outs of water politics.

The issue of fluoride never came up in last November's election, according to former State Assemblymember Paul Koretz, whom Little edged out by a narrow margin.

But now that it has, Little says, were it up to him, Topangans would still be getting their fluoride at their drug store or dentist's office, not from their kitchen and bathroom sinks. "I don't believe in it," says Little flatly. He's careful to explain that his opposition is not because of questions about the efficacy or safety of the fluoridation process.

"I think it's beneficial. I don't think it's harmful. They've got irrefutable evidence that's not true." When asked about recent studies linking fluoride in public water systems to cancer, fluorosis and other ailments, Little says he is unfamiliar with them. "But the Surgeon General has medical evidence very supportive of it. I think it doesn't hurt anyone, especially in the small amounts they put in the water. You know, fluoride is a poison. Arsenic is a poison too. But you need to have arsenic in your body to live and function," says Little.

Still, if Little had ever been given the chance to vote on whether fluoride should be added to the public water supply, he says his answer would have been a resounding "No!" Why?

"I don't believe in treating people medically without their permission." That's exactly what fluoridation is, says Little. When water systems chlorinate the water, they are taking necessary steps to treat the water supply itself, to remove bacteria that would otherwise make the water dangerous for human consumption, Little explains. In fluoridation, however, the water is being used simply as a vehicle to deliver a medical or dental treatment unrelated to the quality of the water itself, simply because some people believe the treatment will be of benefit to others receiving it.

"I don't believe that's right," says Little. "Even if you took a vote and 51 percent of the people said they wanted to receive fluoride or some other medical treatment in the water, I don't think it would be right to impose it on the other 49 percent who didn't give their consent or are opposed to it."

Unfortunately for anti-fluoride forces, West Basin's board never took a vote on whether to fluoridate the water it sells Topanga or any of its other customers, says Little.

Instead, it was MWD who made that momentous decision in February 2003. Neither Topanga and District 29 have any direct representation on MWD's board of directors. For that matter, neither does the County of Los Angeles.

West Basin, as a member of MWD, is entitled to two representatives on MWD's board, and for many years in the past and again at this time, one of West Basin's representatives has been Ed Little. But Little says he was off the MWD board during the crucial period four years ago, when MWD decided it would fluoridate the water of all 26 cities and water districts that were members of its consortium, as well as those who purchased water from any of them (an estimated 18 million people in Southern California). "It was internal politics," was all Little would say.

Instead, West Basin's votes on MWD's fluoride decision were cast by two people who had no accountability to Topanga: Carol Kwan, a West Basin Board member who was elected by the cities of Hermosa Beach, Lomita, Manhattan Beach, Redondo Beach, and unincorporated areas of Torrance; and Willard H. Murray, Jr., who was not even elected to the West Basin board in the first place. (Murray, a former state legislator, recently resigned his position on the MWD board in the wake of a state Attorney General's conflict-of-interest ruling.)

Little said the West Basin board did not vote to instruct its representatives to MWD how to vote on the fluoride issue, and he does not know how Kwan and Murray actually did vote. West Basin's media relations representative referrered the Messenger's inquiries about that and related matters to West Basin's executive secretary, who did not return repeated phone calls as of press time.

But Little also indicates that West Basin's input, which constitutes only about seven percent of the vote at MWD, would have had only an insignificant effect on the outcome of the fluoridation decision in any event.

"If you look back at the way the votes go at Met (MWD), if (the City of) L.A. and San Diego are in favor of it, it's pretty much a done deal. Together, they control about 44 percent of the vote. It would take a lot to turn things around on them."

Little says that the City of Los Angeles was already fluoridating water it purchased from MWD prior to MWD's decision to start fluoridating. "You've got to realize, fluoridation is something that's expensive to do at a small level; it's relatively inexpensive to do on a large-scale basis." If the City of Los Angeles could convince MWD to start fluoridating its water, that was a cost L.A. would no longer have to bear, explains Little.

Green of Citizen's for Safe Drinking Water buys Little's explanation, and adds his own perspective on the San Diego politics involved. Green says the City of San Diego has an ordinance prohibiting fluoridation, but certain San Diego County Water Authority officials are fluoride supporters. "I got two days notice of the meeting in 2003. It was all kept pretty quiet that this decision was coming up."

The decision to report the motion to fluoridate out of committee to the full MWD board came down to a single swing vote, says Green. That vote was cast by the representative from the San Diego County Water Authority, he notes, thereby circumventing a head-to-head contest with the City of San Diego over its anti-fluoride ordinance.

Board misled?

Little also says that the board members in 2003 were heavily influenced by a report from MWD's general counsel advising them that they were legally required to initiate fluoridation under state law by the mandate of A.B. 733. "Technically, no, we have fewer than 10,000 connections. But actually, we have many, many more than that if you consider all of the customers who receive water supplied by MWD. We were told by legal counsel that the spirit of the law required that we had to comply with it [A.B. 733]."

Today, however, MWD's website expressly states, referring to A.B. 733, "Metropolitan was exempt from the conditions of the law." That statement, quite obviously true (MWD, a wholesaler of water, has no service connections and is therefore not covered by A.B. 733) was recently reiterated by MWD's spokesperson Ed Dymally in an interview with the Messenger. Has MWD changed its position on the requirements of the law or were board members misled by counsel at the time of their vote?

Taxation without representation?

Green argues that MWD is continuing to mislead many of its board members, as well as the general public, about who will bear the costs of its fluoridation effort.

MWD makes much of the fact that the capital costs of the project have been underwritten by a $5.5 million grant by the California Dental Association Foundation. However, Green maintains that he has been informed by several MWD officials that the actual cost of initiating fluoridation have far exceeded $5.5 million, due to pumps and other equipment that MWD has installed at the expense of its customers.

Moreover, says Green, the Dental Association grant by its terms covers only capital equipment and requires MWD to bear the cost of maintenance and operation of the system for a period of at least 10 years. Those costs, he says, will be passed along to ratepayers, including Topangans and others like them who had no vote in the process that led to the assessment.

Green argues such a scenario would constitute a violation of Proposition 218, a taxpayer initiative adopted in 1996 to beef up Prop 13 by giving taxpayers the right to approve or reject local governments' tax increases and special assessments. Prop 218 requires two-thirds voter approval for local special taxes, which Green says would apply to any assessment or rate increase to cover the cost of fluoridation.

Fees for sewer, water and refuse collection are expressly excepted from the ambit of Prop 218. However, Green maintains that MWD cannot pass along fluoridation costs as part of a regular water bill because A.B. 733 expressly requires an outside source of funding other than assessments on ratepayers or taxpayers. No doubt, the matter will wind up in court.

Unringing the Bell

Now that the fluoridation decision has been made, albeit with no participation by Topangans or their representatives, what chance is there of reversing course?

"How do you stop the train?" asks Little, rhetorically. "I don't see how. We rejected it for a long time. Until someone came up with five million dollars, and then everyone was full-speed ahead. Now that it's underway, I don't see how you can stop it. If you got enough people, you could. But it would have to be a tremendous outpouring of people."

Little said that fluoride opponents should take no hope from the August 20 meeting. "When I got back on the Met (MWD) board, the decision had already been made. As far as I understood, the meeting in August was not to revisit that decision, it was to bring us up to date on how things were going to be put into effect."

If that's so, and if Topangans don't want their water fluoridated, can't District 29 simply decide to purchase its water elsewhere, from an unfluoridated supplier? Could a motion to that effect be brought before the Board of Supervisors?

That question brought one county source nearly to the floor in laughter. The source, who asked not to be identified, asked, "You're kidding, aren't you? Do you know how many years and how many millions of dollars it took to lay those pipelines? They all belong to MWD? What do you think - you're just going to go out and build a whole new infrastructure? To where?"

Little was more restrained in his response but had about the same bottom line. "I don't know where the money or the water would come from. We've got five outlets where MWD water enters our [the West Basin] system. We've got no outlet where water from anywhere else comes in."

But Gene Burke, of the Santa Monicans for Safe Drinking Water Coalition, characterizes these responses as "speculative and far too pessimistic." His counterpart Jeff Green agrees, arguing that water districts that really don't want fluoride in their water supply have a remedy in the law of contracts, and urges consumers to demand their districts insist on their rights.

For one thing, says Green, every contract will have provisions requiring water supplies comply with all federal, state and local laws. Green claims that industry representatives admit they haven't followed through on the public self-regulatory and certification standards established after the Environmental Protection Agency gave up its role in the oversight of water additives in 1988. "Where's the certification that the substance they're adding to the water complies with NSF International standards?" asks Green. "If they can't produce it, and they've admited none of them can, the water district has the right under contract law to demand that MWD cease and desist from adding it to the water."

Green says that similar objections can and should be raised to what he says is the particularly toxic additive MWD has chosen to use to fluoridate local supplies - hydrofluorosilicic acid, which in addition to fluoride contains arsenic, lead and other carcinogenic and mutagenic substances.

Green has already sent notices to more than 2,000 responsible parties in the chain of MWD's water delivery in an effort to educate them about what he sees as the public health dangers of water fluoridation and to warn them of their potential personal, as well as their official, liability, if they fail to take action to halt the flow of fluoride into our taps.

Green says he's looking for a few good local water districts to join him in taking on the MWD. Will District 29 heed his call? That decision rests with County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, whom Topangans did help to elect.


 

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